Star Parker: Gays in the military are killing the country, ’cause the bible says so
Posted By Eric Ethington (Author) on December 27, 2010
Utah’s local Mormon-owned newspaper, the Deseret News, re-published an article this morning written by Star Parker claiming that repealing DADT is the downfall of America and claims biblical proof. Read her article and a response by guest author Isaac Higham below.
Star Parker is currently the head of the Center For Urban Renewal and Education, and ran an unsuccessful campaign for Congress in 2010. Her article claims that she’s becoming a minority in this country, but it’s not because she’s black or because she’s a woman, it’s because she’s a Christian. America is sliding down a moral wormhole, she claims, because while the majority of the country think that the USA is not on the right moral path, the majority also supported repealing Don’t Ask Don’t Tell.
She includes plenty of biblical references as to why homosexuality is so bad, and concludes that how can we take the constitution of the United States seriously if we don’t take the bible seriously.
Yeah….. Anyway, here’s an amazing response from Isaac Higham to Ms. Star:
Ms. Parker,
I recently had the opportunity to read your piece about homosexuality being publicly condoned but morally unacceptable as it was reprinted in one of our local papers. In your piece you argue that as a Christian you adhere to Biblical standards of morality, and that these standards of morality make homosexuality unacceptable. And you further argue that the nation must realign with those Biblical mores, and those of our original Constitution, if our nation is to be rescued from the precipice of moral collapse.
While many scholars disagree with the traditional interpretation of biblical condemnation of homosexuality, I shall set aside this issue and suppose for the sake of discussion that you are correct in saying Biblical Christianity condemns homosexuality.
The Bible is a book that lays out situations in which slavery is morally acceptable; situations in which rape is divinely condoned; instances where mass genocide is approved; the idea that women are property. The list of biblical moral conundrums could be a mile long.
Because of this one must conclude that as a Christian you are either willfully ignorant of what the Bible actually says, or that you pick and choose which Biblical precepts are meant to be applied today. If it is the first, then you hardly have credence to demand others adhere to moral principles that you yourself do not understand. If it is the second, then you yourself are guilty of the moral relativism and adopting a sliding moral scale that you decry in your piece.
As an African American and as a woman one would think you would be critical of traditional Biblical traditions and the original
Isaac Higham
Constitution. For under both documents you would have been enslaved and controlled simply because of your skin color and your gender. You would have been subject to slavery, ineligible for certain marriage rights, unable to own property, and unable to vote (let alone start your own organization or run for the United States Congress as you have done).
As an American that loves this country and our Constitutional freedoms and protections, I am disappointed that you would gladly accept the progress and advancements in society that have allowed you the opportunities to pursue your dreams, but at the same time try and condemn those same advancements when they offer protections and opportunities to others.
Pride and hypocrisy are Biblically immoral and condemned by Jesus himself, Ms. Parker. Perhaps you should start with the beam in your own eye before addressing the mote you perceive to be in the eyes of your American brothers and sisters.
Thank you for putting your name to your opinion unlike the ever increasing anonymous attacks in today’s political discourse. May God bless you and yours in the coming NewYear.
Yours truly,
Isaac Higham
"Eric, trying to have this (civil rights) conversation with you is ultimately like trying to teach a pig to dance, it just annoys the pig. So Eric, sorry to annoy you."
-Paul Mero, The Sutherland Institute.
Well put, totally awesome!
Ummm… you’re calling this person Star Jones, but the article says Star Parker.
@Jayde. Oh good grief, where on earth is my head today. Everything’s fixed, thanks!
Excellent response, Isaac! Logic makes them crumble – or scream louder. Either way, they are entirely uncomfortable with logic and reason. Thank you for voicing it so eloquently!
Well said, Isaac!
Star Parker, is Star Jones.
Correction, she is not Star Jones.
@Becki – yeah, I noticed that a few minutes ago, sorry! It’s all fixed now.
Very well said!
It’s amazing to me how many try to use the bible as their weapon, but only on certain aspects.
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I just love our Issac, ” God darnit, Mr. Higham, you use your tongue prettier than a twenty dollar whore.” (adapted from Blazing Saddles, but highly appropriate)
As well as we can tell from the Bible, Jesus may very well have been gay. There was one special loved one in the life of Jesus and that person was a MAN. I don’t see how anyone who has a problem with The Gays could be a Christian, or why they would even want to.
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Probably the best reply of thousands I have read. The religious irreverent simply cannot make this stuff up. The new American christian Taliban use the Holy Bible as a WMD against all whom they perceive as wrong or not in agreement with their twisted illogical rants. It’s nice to see someone put them in their place in such a solid manner once in awhile. Keeps them humble! Thank you, Mr. Higham!
Dakotahgeo, M.Div. Pastor/Chaplain
All I can say is Isaac has a bit of a disconnect with the general population in respect to how one defines a marriage
or what is moral. Perhaps he has no problem telling his children there is no differnece between a same sex marriage
and the traditional marriage between a male and female.
To each his own. I will pray that Isaac comes to his senses
for the sake of his children, whether he has them now or he plans on having them.
Isaac,
Only under the auspices of a given government was slavery, rape, and genocide allowed. NOW, you want special
treatments allowed to gays under the auspices of the Federal Government. We’re way past slavery, rape, and genocide under the auspices of the government. I’m rather befuddled
that you would want the Federal Government to digress when it comes to the issue of making same sex marriage and traditional male female marriage morally equivalent.
For now, we have some state governments allowing same sex marriage.
That’s offensive enough for the general population. If you really want to awaken a sleeping giant just keep on pushing for this moral equivalence under the auspices of the Federal Government and see what happens.
@Brian
Congratulations, you managed to go on for several paragraphs without actually making a single point or valid argument. It is clear that you truly have no sense of this nation whatsoever, or the true purpose behind the constitution. If you did, you would find that the evolution of our country is vital and necessary as we come to understand what it means to treat every one of our fellow human beings as equals.
Honestly I couldn’t care less what you think of myself, or any other person who is different from you. But it’s humorous to watch you so easily dismiss the notion of slavery while in the same breath seeking to deny other citizens of the same rights you so clearly enjoy for yourself. The country is not on your side, have you bothered to do any research before slinging such ludicrous statements? Every year the country has moved closer and closer to true equality, both in the laws and in people’s minds. Unfortunately you are the same Jim Crow standing on the sidelines who will be mocked and viewed with shame in the not-too-distant future.
You’re ‘rather befuddled?’ Indeed.
Dakotahgeo,
As if there are some similarities between Christians and the Taliban? Please spare us your repugnance and ineptitudes.
Or do you actually get your jollies making such ridiculous statements?
Dan says:
12/27/2010 at 8:22 pm
As well as we can tell from the Bible, Jesus may very well have been gay. There was one special loved one in the life of Jesus and that person was a MAN. I don’t see how anyone who has a problem with The Gays could be a Christian, or why they would even want to.
-I think Dan is trying to quote Elton John about how he belives Jesus was a gay man. I’m not surprised, since it’s the desperate sentiments of many gay people that if Jesus was really gay it would justify their actions. Now that’s desperation!!!
Admin (Eric),
By saying that I have not made a single point or valid argument I have to conclude that you could care less about the undeniable fact that there is no moral equivalence with same sex marriage and traditional male female marriage.
Equality is the name of the game with you even if it means
that the general population sees the difference between males and females. But you view them as equal, even though the general consensus is they play totally different roles in marriage and society. But you keep on believing that we are all just closet bi and or homosexuals. And this begs a question. Do you really want to be gay or are you just attracted to the culture because it’s the fashionable thing to do now? Frankly sir, with all of your struggles being gay, why not just try to be normal, it’s really much easier.
One last thing, how have you come to the conclusion that placing gays morally equivalent with heteros is not digression? Perhaps it’s your moral relativism?
Eric,
So how have I dismissed the notion of slavery if I understand it was under the auspices of the government
that slavery existed? And how is the country not on my side
since the overwhelming populace are opposed to same sex marriage and anything granting gays special rights?
BTW the majority of Blacks voted to repeal same sex marriage in CA. And Hispanics weren’t far behind. Put that in your pipe and smoke it, Mr. Or is it Mrs.
Eric,
Multiculturalism (equality) does not work. As evidenced by what’s happening in Europe and Britain. So you just run along with your liberalisms. They don’t work on me.
I’m not one of your students you can indoctrinate. And since you have so much compassion for people in the thrid world why would you continue with a sexual preference that infuriates them? Perhaps you enjoy seeing your gay bretheren going on missions and putting their life in danger their because they are gay?
them?
“So how have I dismissed the notion of slavery if I understand it was under the auspices of the government
that slavery existed?”
It wasn’t the US federal government that condoned and promoted the slavery in the Bible. It wasn’t the federal government that told Joshua to commit mass genocide. It wasn’t the federal government that told a man to offer up his daughters to an angry mob to be raped. Ms. Parker argued we should promote Biblical morality, and pointing out that there are murky areas in that “morality” is not hypocritical.
” And how is the country not on my side
since the overwhelming populace are opposed to same sex marriage”
All recent polls show that the split is about 50/50 (sometimes Marriage equality coming out with a small lead and sometimes against gay marriage coming out ahead, but within the margin of error)
“anything granting gays special rights?”
Nobody wants special rights. Just equal rights and equal opportunity. Any laws dealing with sexual orientation apply to EVERYONE. No special treatment, just equal treatment.
“(equality) does not work”
You sure have a weird interpretation of Christ’s teachings. Because ALL of God’s children and ALL of Christ’s brothers and sisters are equal in the sight of God.
Isaac said:
It wasn’t the US federal government that condoned and promoted the slavery in the Bible. It wasn’t the federal government that told Joshua to commit mass genocide. It wasn’t the federal government that told a man to offer up his daughters to an angry mob to be raped.
-Of course it wasn’t the US federal government. What a stupid and idiotic response, Isaac. It was under the auspices
of whatever government(s) was under control at the time.
You tried to make it seem like I didn’t know what I was talking about and you failed miserably. Much of what was going on during the time Jesus was on Earth he had very little if no control over. He was basicly there to observe
and preach the word of God. Just because he spoke about
what was going on didn’t always mean he condemned it or condoned it. And I always get a kick out of you gays that since he never really spoke about homosexuality he probably wouldn’t have condemned. This is just another example of your wishfull thinking.
Isaac,
And Jesus understood that all cultures are not equal but we are equal as humans. There is a difference. And Jesus understood there is a distinct difference between males and females. In a same sex marriage there is always going to be one who plays the role of the opposite sex. This is quite contrary to God’s plan. So you’re equality thing doesn’t sit well with God either. Perhaps in a million years humans will be bi-sexual like roaches. I doubt if we’ll be humans by then anyway. Chew on that for a while and try not to be offended that I made this analogy using roaches.
“In a same sex marriage there is always going to be one who plays the role of the opposite sex.”
What is it with you culturally conservative people and your obsession with gay anal sex? You do realize that not every couple engages in that activity right? Or that some couple engage in that in reciprocal ways?
Sexual positions does not a gender role make. It is clear from your tone of voice and outright attacks on other people that you are only here to flame and troll and are a human being with which only the lowest of low would enjoy association. Happy New Years, Brian. I hope 2011 brings you something worthwhile to do with your time.
Isaac wrote:
What is it with you culturally conservative people and your obsession with gay anal sex?
-Perhaps you’re not aware or maybe you just don’t care that the majority of people on this Earth find this act disgusting and filthy. And I do hope you find something
worthwhile to do with your time other than this. But I’m not going to hold my breath. And BTW, I’m curious why the Mormon Church has allowed sites like this to exist in Utah.
Perhaps they are aware that this type of behaviour is only short-lived and will eventually play itself out. After all,
God’s gifts to us are eternal. Thank God, your behaviour,
that you want to advance as a social norm, is man-made,
and will ultimately implode on itself. The sooner the better.
Take Care,
Brian
Sodom Rises Again!
By Douglas S. Winnail
Today, “progressive” people are promoting the very lifestyles that brought divine destruction on the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah! The Bible predicted that this would occur—and explained where it will lead—in prophecies that are coming alive today!
Douglas, you’re comment is confusing. Are the “progressive” people the ones who complain about foreigners? I thought all the anti-immigrant sentiment was coming from the conservative side. The story of Sodom and Gomorrah is all about God punishing people for being wicked to outsiders.